At this point, even Fox News believes Jeffry Epstein committed suicide. I know that’s not all that good of a source, but when you consider they were the ones who pushed the story connecting Epstein to Clinton the hardest, it’s hilarious.
This should have stopped when an autopsy by New York’s top medical examiner found Epstein committed suicide — the same autopsy that found he broke his neck in a certain way and that proves something (we’ll get to that later), by the way.
The people who believed Epstein was killed seem to be covering this up like they think Epstein’s true death was. The Daily Wire for instance, who was memeing this since day one, just doesn’t have the time to talk about how the conspiracy theory they promoted has been debunked.
As such, I’ve decided to compile a list of the evidence they thought they had and debunk it once and for all.
#1: It Was Kind Of Suspicious
This is the most common. Just pointing out that something is kind of weird does not prove anything. The Moon Landing happened as the last breath of the United States to beat the USSR in the space race. It’s kind of suspicious such a thing would happen, especially since the Soviet’s were advancing technology far faster than the US was before that point.
Even if you believe the Moon Landing didn’t happen, is that good evidence? I would say no. Such a thing is where reasonable investigation starts, however, that should not be where such a thing ends.
Other Deaths Connected To The Clinton Family
This argument tends to take two forms. The first one being that many others have committed suicide while being associated with the Clinton family. One wonders why they kill associates and not critics, but I guess that’s besides the point.
Take this image as an example:
I should note Ken Starr himself found Vince Foster committed suicide.
Here’s another example, although I’ve seen it in a number of different forms I’ll just use this one as it’s the most simple:
I’ll give this person not many. However, I am not nor do I know anyone who has been Attorney General of a state, the Governor of said state, Chair of the National Governors Association, and President of the United States. Just as I don’t know anyone who has been the first lady of a state, the first lady of the entire country, a Senator, and Sectary of State.
A number of these images fall apart when you realize that the Clinton’s are not a normal family. That’s not to insult them, but they’ve been in politics for so long (Bill Clinton was first elected to office in 1977) they simply can not be with that power and wealth. Just as the Bush’s are not a normal family and neither are the Trump’s. Again, not insulting them by saying that, however, that must be kept in mind when talking about aspects of there lives.
But It’s Weird
The other argument is just a repeat of the first one. That it’s pretty odd the day before the trail Jeffery Epstein would kill himself. I guess the fact that tons of people kill themselves in jail every year just doesn't mean anything.
The only other argument they have is Epstein was already on suicide watch after trying to kill himself two weeks earlier. Yes, to these people him previously trying to kill himself is proof he didn’t kill himself.
While we do have evidence the guards didn’t bother to check on him for three hours — side note: How does that connect to the Clinton family? Did they use a tranquilizer on the guards? — typically suicide watch just means you’re checked on every half an hour to an hour. You can die from hanging yourself in under 5 minutes. It seems most likely Epstein killed himself shortly after last being checked on and the three hour gap is just a coincidence.
#2: The Broken Bone
Another large piece of evidence — according to these people, at least — is that Epstein broke a bone commonly broken by strangulation. For instance, the kind of strangulation you commonly get from hanging yourself.
I should note this is purely intentional ignorance. Here are various news sources that covered this story and made note of that you can break bones in your neck through hanging yourself:
New York Post: “If, hypothetically, the hyoid bone is broken, that would generally raise questions about strangulation, but it is not definitive and does not exclude suicidal hanging,” said Arden, who is not involved with the Epstein autopsy.
Rawstory: “Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said.”
USAToday: NBC News medical correspondent John Torres noted that hyoid fractures are more likely for older adults, and studies show they occur in roughly 25% of hanging deaths and 35% of strangulation deaths.
Fox News: The hyoid bone, which is near the Adam’s apple, can be broken in a suicide by hanging — especially in older people — but is more common in strangulation murders, The Washington Post reported.
Business Insider: One of the broken bones in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid, according to The Post. This type of fracture is associated with both suicidal hanging and homicidal strangulation but is more commonly related to the latter, Jonathan Arden, the president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, told The Post.
Breitbart: The Washington Post reported late Wednesday that among Epstein’s broken bones was his hyoid, a horseshoe-shaped bone situated near the Adam’s apple in men. Forensic experts told the Post that hyoid breaks are plausible in hanging cases yet are more common in homicide victims who are strangled to death.
Rolling Stone: While the broken hyoid bone is more common in strangulations than hangings, it doesn’t prove truth to claims by conspiracy theorists (like the president) that Epstein was somehow murdered behind bars.
The Huffington Post: “Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject,” the Post reported. “But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation.”
Yes, every news source that covered, even the most far-right and insane ones, note that Epstein broke a bone that can be broken by hanging. While it is true it is more likely to be broken by strangulation than by hanging — about 8% to 10% more likely depending on the source — that doesn’t mean anything. It’s also fairly unlikely in both cases. Guess that means he didn’t hang himself.
This is what happens when you just look at data and don’t use any forms of context. While pure numbers are important, that does not mean that’s how we should be living our lives and making assumptions with. Tell me, if you saw a family member hanging from the ceiling would you believe he was murdered if he broke bones in his neck?
#3: But Isn’t It Weird?